tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post1033657407140584636..comments2024-03-11T06:12:02.296-05:00Comments on The Great God Pan Is Dead: Swipe File Robert Boydhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-75273172923766534972011-09-12T18:16:28.213-05:002011-09-12T18:16:28.213-05:00It's hard for me to see a reinterpretation (wh...It's hard for me to see a reinterpretation (which a good cover is--and which Matt Messinger's piece is--assuming he is in fact the swiper) as a misdemeanor in any way. But that's all I'm going I'm going to say about it. I think we've killed this subject. Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-19254425049454122362011-09-12T18:06:38.014-05:002011-09-12T18:06:38.014-05:00The argument to not announce the song as a cover u...The argument to not announce the song as a cover usually runs along the lines that all the cool people will know it's a cover and can chortle snobbishly to themselves. It's a swipe if not declared. Responses to music are very much more conditioned by upbringing than one's visual sense is, so a cover is like a third degree misdemeanor.<br /><br />Let's not talk about sampling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-66871584227171913502011-09-10T20:35:05.834-05:002011-09-10T20:35:05.834-05:00What if you go to a club and a band plays a song t...What if you go to a club and a band plays a song that is actually another band's song. They do not at any time announce this fact. (This very scenario certainly happens hundreds of times every week in the USA and around the world.) Is that, then, a "swipe" and if so, is it wrong? Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-21836250625727838962011-09-10T20:00:22.767-05:002011-09-10T20:00:22.767-05:00Comments here are about cover bands might be off t...Comments here are about cover bands might be off the point. A swipe is when you appropriate another image (or creative act), and present it as your own work, your own idea. If you make it clear your original source, you are not really "swiping". In the case of the sample here, there are two artists putting up the same image, neither of which seems to have noted an original source. Clearly at least one of them, therefore, is guilty of a swipe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-51903991728306187262011-09-03T05:37:35.923-05:002011-09-03T05:37:35.923-05:00I was using passionate as an adjective modifying c...I was using passionate as an adjective modifying creativity, and my answer would be yes, relatively speaking. One needs some amount of passion to play in a quartet, or play anything for that matter, but playing sheet music and composing it are doubtlessly unequivocal in their creativity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-59576811001095965952011-09-01T22:09:47.069-05:002011-09-01T22:09:47.069-05:00Are you saying that the Emerson String Quartet, wh...Are you saying that the Emerson String Quartet, which does nothing but play the compositions of other composers, lacks passion or creativity? Assuming Messinger swiped it from Neely (which I don't know to be true and make no claims for), doesn't seem clear that Messinger "made it his own"? The drawing is distinct and different. It feels more finely etched and more old-fashioned. And, of course, he did it on a piece of blotchy distressed canvas, which gives it an antique feel as if it were a relic from the 1930s, when Popeye was in its original heyday, written and drawn by the immortal E.C. Segar. Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-67408974081663538222011-09-01T18:58:40.101-05:002011-09-01T18:58:40.101-05:00It's like watching a cover band- enjoyable, bu...It's like watching a cover band- enjoyable, but smacking of careerism and an aesthetic of just going through the motions verses a passionate creativity. The iconic quality of Popeye somewhat mitigates the swiping, but it's still unethical from an artist's stand point. The question for the audience, not concerned with the commercial/intellectual property side of things, is: did the artist make it his own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-75440639922655469152011-09-01T14:01:43.998-05:002011-09-01T14:01:43.998-05:00Probably not. I still wouldn't like it, but no...Probably not. I still wouldn't like it, but not because he appropriated something.Darren Emanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497828724997598107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-90353290980912892862011-08-31T13:32:17.273-05:002011-08-31T13:32:17.273-05:00Well, we don't know if Matt is "guilty&qu...Well, we don't know if Matt is "guilty" here. But here is a hypothetical question: would it make a difference if you hated Matt Messinger's work instead of liking it? Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-11096022288898673772011-08-31T12:33:05.743-05:002011-08-31T12:33:05.743-05:00I tend to look at it as an image versus a use of i...I tend to look at it as an image versus a use of image.<br />It is kind of a double standard in a way. I think the comics world places a different type of value on drawing than does contemporary art. I like Matt's work and this one in particular reminds me a bit of Baechler who also made good use of comic images over grungy, painterly grounds. I'm inclined to let him off the hook. <br />Great post Robert!Darren Emanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497828724997598107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-36417324648372678502011-08-31T10:41:37.486-05:002011-08-31T10:41:37.486-05:00(Of course, when I call it a misdemeanor, I don...(Of course, when I call it a misdemeanor, I don't mean so in a legal sense, but in a cultural sense.) Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-77100826502017506952011-08-31T10:40:49.451-05:002011-08-31T10:40:49.451-05:00I think the reason that the comics world considers...I think the reason that the comics world considers this kind of thing a misdemeanor (and perhaps why the art world doesn't consider it a moral issue at all) is because these are one-off things. Within comics, it is usually one panel out of hundreds in a given comic book. So it's a little like shoplifting--it's not as bad as grand theft. Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-41649839128773423072011-08-31T09:46:31.815-05:002011-08-31T09:46:31.815-05:00This seems like more than just a misdemeanor.This seems like more than just a misdemeanor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com