tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post9180846194030298409..comments2024-03-11T06:12:02.296-05:00Comments on The Great God Pan Is Dead: Everyday Geniuses at the Art League Robert Boydhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-61187685424266944382016-07-17T14:21:40.909-05:002016-07-17T14:21:40.909-05:00Outstanding article! I agree absolutely that folk...Outstanding article! I agree absolutely that folk artists or "untrained" artists need to "put stuff on canvas" and then "more and more." I am a "professional" poet (whatever THAT means!), but also a highly untrained artist, or, rather, so bad at artistic skill that I call myself pre-primordial primitive. In my poetry, I must work to make each word and image "right." In my "art," I need to put stuff on canvas--and what a joy that is, and sometimes a really true need. Thank you so much for your insight!Bonnie Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18425813052932961429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-8264497964040127682015-09-17T15:06:32.783-05:002015-09-17T15:06:32.783-05:00I'm glad you found this post. Thanks very much...I'm glad you found this post. Thanks very much for writing. Robert Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832011160514073833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-80700315228950142612015-09-17T15:04:17.894-05:002015-09-17T15:04:17.894-05:00I meant Mose, not Moses! Thank u.I meant Mose, not Moses! Thank u.Dana Mooreheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323983745577285200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-17236722789046140012015-09-17T14:43:45.101-05:002015-09-17T14:43:45.101-05:00Hi Robert Boyd-
Thank you for your fantastically ...Hi Robert Boyd-<br /><br />Thank you for your fantastically detailed and interesting piece on self taught artist, and folk art. I am not sure how I landed here, but it began with a thread from Jerry Saltz regarding Moses Tolliver, and then I searched Sam Doyle. I fell instantly in love with Sam Doyle's artwork at a LACMA exhibition two years ago on a Sunday morning when I had him all to myself for an hour! It was not a large presentation. But the images of the south, black history, the colors, the beauty made me cry with happiness and appreciation. Such an artist! All this to say thank you for your excellent writing. ❤️<br /><br /><br />Dana Mooreheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323983745577285200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-70002431689107492682014-10-07T13:19:31.295-05:002014-10-07T13:19:31.295-05:00The self taught, the outsider, the "primative...The self taught, the outsider, the "primative" , are very engaging and have had a termendious influnce on contemporary artists. I include myself. That said ... all self taught art rises to a certain level of technique & subject and stays there, never developing. Once one has knowledge of art via schooling or whatever, you can only pretend to be an outsider. Artistic Isolation is a thing of the past. Beginning with Jean Dubuffet outsider art is mainstream.earlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09769246572529559559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6633621665763939304.post-32628321428239017752014-10-06T22:14:05.141-05:002014-10-06T22:14:05.141-05:00Wow, Robert. This subject is obviously very near a...Wow, Robert. This subject is obviously very near and dear to your heart. Good article. Maybe there's a book or magazine series within you on this subject.<br /><br />My take on the subject of "horror vacuii" is that self-taught artists have a different understanding of the distinction between their artistic urges and the needs of viewers. These artists NEED to create, they NEED to put stuff on canvas, they NEED to put MORE stuff on canvas, and MORE, and MORE. And they are the only viewer around.<br /><br />It's through the external support groups of the art world -- like "crits", exhibition reviews, and so on -- that emerging artists can learn to channel this urge. One of my teachers called it the ability to curate one's own work.<br /><br />This is similar to your idea of the relationship to a "conventional education", except that I don't think it has to do with "breaking the rules" so much as it has to do with learning that art is a language, and learning how to use it to form conversations. <br /><br />When you're in a one-way conversation -- just you and your canvas -- you produce art that's different than when you're in a two-way conversation -- something between you and the artworld outside. Not better, not worse, just a different road.John Hovighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07309848329324696895noreply@blogger.com